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conservative groups. the agency delayed processing those applications. earlier today, attorney genric holder says the justice department has launched a criminal investigation sbroo the matter. >> reporter: over at the white house, there isn't much talk of harry truman these days and the buck stops here. from the associated press, white house officials say talk to the
justice department. >> reporter: then he walked that back when a reporter called him out. >> i have no reason to believe. >> on good faith or assumption? >> because i can tell you that i am not aware of anyone here knowing about it. >> reporter: former white house press secretary ari fleisher said he was doing all he could, tap dance.
>> sometimes the press secretary cannot answer questions and this means that the press secretary's job is to duck, dance, dodge and defer. the four "ds." >> reporter: while holder took himself out of the investigation -- himself out of the investigation -- >> i recuse myself from this matter. >> reporter: the attorney general seemed to defend the decision. >> this is among if not the most serious. it is one of the top two or three most serious leaks that i've ever seen. put the american people at risk. >> reporter: even a fellow democrat harry reid wasn't buying it. >> i don't know who did it or why it was done but it's inexcusable and there's no way to justify this. >> reporter: eric holder said the justice department is now investigating the irs to see if any laws were broken but add it to the controversy over the ap's phone records and gop leaders see an obama administration effort to silence critics. time and again white house officials said that's not so and never a good day when the
spokesman has to respect defend the president's respect for the first amendment. >> thanks, jim. >> kathleen carol, good to have you with us. justice department says we didn't do anything improper. they say, look, we can get your records. you made the phone call. phone companies have them. we can get them. do you think something illegal was done? >> i don't know because we don't know anything. they have seized secretly the phone records for two months of ap phones, 20 different phone lines and, you know, i have no way to know if that's illegal or not. >> attorney general holder said that and the deputy attorney general wrote you a letter saying this, we are required to negotiate with the media organizations in advance of issues subpoenas unless doing so would pose a threat to the integrity of the investigation.
they say they were looking in to try to find the person that leaked the information to you of a cia operation in yemen. they said they need to find the person that did that and prosecute that person and saying that telling you going after the phone records posed a substantial threat. would it have? >> so i'm a journalist and i ask questions. what kind of threat would that have posed? what could we have done to pose a threat to them if they said, we are trying to investigate this and we want to see some records, we want to see some phone records. instead we have a very broad net across the fax machines, switchboards, bureaus as far as i know no particular connection to the story they seem to be investigating. >> i find amazing about this is this is significant for people at home. sources could be compromised. you have conversations with people. your reporters do and they trust you and the american people
trust that relationship and trust the media. and the justice department just snooping in? >> it isn't just potential confidential sources. the numbers in bureaus where about 100 journalists work and in the course of 2 months making lots of different phone calls and talking to people, ordinary people in the normal course of news gathering. >> right. >> now those records are with the justice department. >> they know more they're looking for? >> i would assume. >> you delayed this story at the request of government officials saying it would jeopardize national security. you did so. after you knew there they were going to put it out, you put it out yourself. do you feel intimidated that they went behind your back without a subpoena to try to get the information? >> i don't think we feel sbem dated but shocked by the scope of it and the lawyers doing this a long time, the ceo a long time and i have been doing this a long time and never seen it along the size and scope of this particular investigation so it's not intimidating but it does beg the question, what are they looking for?
why do they need so many phone records? size and scope, bush administration did this or whatever. you're saying this one in terms of what it's tried to get from you is unprecedented? >> without notice. without conversation. secretly seizing the records of 20 different phone lines that cover about 100 different journalists doing two months of news gathering, that's a lot of phone exchanges. >> all right. kathleen carroll, thank you very much. >> thank you. >> this is a significant story. still to come, a u.s. diplomat talks out of russia. russia says he's a cia spy. a decision of angelina jolie. having a double mastectomy without having had cancer. is this the right decision for every woman? tougher drunk driving laws could be on the way. how many drinks is too many? and the latest installment of the investigation in to gitmo. we are live tonight with exclusive interviews of guards at the prison.
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angelina jolie is one of the biggest stars in the world. her films generated more than a billion dollars worldwide and pretty much everyone knows who she is. she's a global superstar and brings me to tonight's number. one. she was google's number one trening topic today. the reason why? our second story "outfront." her big news. the mother of six broke the news double mastectomy in an op-ed piece in "the new york times" today. i woke up at 4:30 and one of the first things i saw. she wrote, quote, i carry a faulty gene which sharply increases my risk of developing ovarian and breast cancer. nancy brinker, survivor and ceo of komen for the cure, dr. lisa masterson and nancy gorman. you have a long family history of cancer. you shares your father's gene mutation and elected to have
your uterus, ovaries and double mastectomy done and must have been an unbearable choice. >> it was, indeed, a really hard choice to make. those are what defines us as women in many ways. our breasts and our ovaries. my risk of cancer up to 87% of breast cancer and 67% of ovarian cancer and i didn't want to live with that fear or burden over my shoulder and made the choices to have the surgeries and i've never turned become and i have two young girls and i'm able to tell them that mommy's going to be around for a very long time. >> which is, i know, something that miss jolie was also talking about.
her mother died young of this. and dr. lisa, though, when you read angelina jolie's op-ed, it says more people should be tested and more insurance companies should pay for it. she said it cost up to $3,000 for a test for the gene and then in a situation like anna or angelina and the chances 87%, the choice might be -- i don't want to say simple because it's not simple but might be more clear but a test become and 30% or 40%? all of a sudden it's a lot more difficult. >> well, we all have risk factors and some of us have higher risk factors than others especially with a first-degree relative or you had abnormal biopsies but it's an individual choice for women. the idea is to identify who's at risk to decide if they want to be monitored more frequently with more breast exams, mammograms, mris or do chemo prevention so there are options for women and a key factor is you don't want to do something
out of fear. you want to do something to help you for the rest of your life. and if that's to have a double mastectomy, that's great. that takes kounch and have your ovarians removed, as well. the choice is different for every woman. it is important to discuss the factors with their doctor and choose what's right for them. my mother died of breast cancer and very hard to watch her but i'm an individual who probably would not choose a double mastectomy. so it is every woman's individual choice. we have to respect that. >> and nancy, you're a breast cancer survivor. you have been through this. >> right. >> an you counsel so many women around the country. when's the impact of angelina's announcement? more people that want the test. there's good and is there also
some bad? >> the bad is that there are so many choices to make. the good part is that she was so brave to speak out the way she did. and also, to destigmatize the speaking out itself and destigmatize the issues. people to know they're complex issues and individual decisions and thank heavens she had and i had and the doctor had the very best care but i thought it was a beautifully written op-ed piece and underscored the choices sometimes one has to make. >> dr. lisa, is this a test that every woman should get? i mean, there's going to be more and more availability. if you're a man watching, you can get tested for prostate cancer and early on in your life as technology gets better and better. but coming back with an odds it can create stress in your life and a difficult decision on what to do and doesn't seem as clear cut and simple to me when i think about it. >> no. absolutely it is not. the key again is to identify who is at risk and acog put out
guidelines for us as physicians to determine who's a risk factor, a 20% increased risk factor and offer a genetic testing to them. women deciding to have the testing, they have to determine what steps are they going to take after that as far as prevention. is it going to be heightened surveillance, a double mastectomy, chemo prevention, scanning more often? before they actually take the test and know the indications and remember, if you don't test positive that doesn't mean you're not still at risk. >> right. >> right. >> that false sense of security. >> that's right. >> will insurance pay for it? >> in some cases and that's why the test is a varying amount of money but remember all of the people in america who are not yet covered by the affordable health care act hopefully that will take care of many people but we don't know that for sure. and this is a test that ought to
be widely available. and accessible to people no matter what they have or where they live. a woman's life shouldn't be determined by that so we really, really want to make sure that the test is more accessible to people and all of the decisions that we're talking about are those that people fortunate enough to have great care can make. >> thanks to all three of you. we appreciate it. a crucial topic for all those watching. still to come, cnn cannot confirm that the irs was targeting conservative groups in this country in part by the listen yourself closely to what she says but also to what she does not say in this call. >> hi, 911. how can i help you? >> my children are home alone and a man ran out of the house. my older son was in the bathroom and my daughter was screaming. he came out, there was a man inside of the house and we -- >> where is the house? >> the man is gone, though? >> he said he ran out.
>> how old are your kids? >> 12 and 9. >> okay. >> you had a break-in? >> yes. >> okay. >> did they see the man? >> they see him. my daughter is freaking out right now. >> what is your house number? we'll get somebody out there. i want to call the house. okay? >> thank you. >> bye-bye. >> you heard her talk about how her daughter was freaking out. doesn't appear there's a mention that her daughter was stabbed multiple times, injured. we'll stay on the story. still to come, a u.s. diplomat booted out of russia. russians say he's a cia spy. so do cia spies in real life wear bad blond wigs? plus, the latest on just how one man allegedly kept three women prisoners in a house for a decade. we have found the one huge red flag that his neighbors missed. we have a special investigation from cleveland tonight. the feds want to lower the legal limit on drinking and
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our third story "outfront" an exclusive look inside gitmo. the hunger strike at gitmo nears the 100th day. we have a look at when's going on inside that prison. we have exclusive look at the grounds. we want to warn you some of what you are about to see and hear is graphic. >> reporter: cnn got exclusive access to camps five and six. most of the detainees are being held.
we saw individual cells, media rooms with leg shackles bolted to the ground. an area that used to be filled with detainees. right now, the camp six denan knees are held in individual cells like these. patrolling those cells, young guards the age of college students. for the first time, we're seeing the faces of those that guard the detainees. >> they use vulgar language and i have had a lot of experience with that, unfortunately. so especially caucasian females they don't like us at all. >> reporter: she is 21 and called every name in the book. >> most common is [ bleep ]. they'll say i'll piss all over your face. they'll say you have had [ bleep ] thrown on you. you've been disrespected. you're thrash now. >> reporter: the situation inside guantanamo is dire. there's a hunger strike to more than 100.
about 30 refuse to take the liquid nutritional drinks and fed through a tube but officials admit that the clock is ticking on the option. >> if anybody's had a can of ensure or muscle milk or whatever, it says it is not designed for a long term sole source of nutrition so there are long-term consequences of getting all of your meals through a liquid supplement. >> reporter: it's leading to more conflict including so-called splashing where detainees squirt guards with water, water and feces. >> that's a biggest way to act out is the throwing of feces at guards and happening consistently actually for the past month and a half every day there's a splashing. >> reporter: you can see the result of some splashing on the ceiling. pieces of feces that are still stuck to the top of the ceiling.
one guard says she's been splashed several times. >> and you can go to the hospital. they draw your blood, let you know if they have diseases. and then go right back to work. >> reporter: in fact, she told me sometimes it is all she can do to sort of bottle it up and walk away. that prison guard was also a guard at fort levenworth and said it doesn't compare to working here. it doesn't mean we have forgotten about the detainees or cost of keeping the prison open, all areas we're going to get deeper in to over the next couple of days, erin. >> thank you, very much, chris lawrence. the investigation will continue through the week. but what you just saw there, incredible reporting as difficult as it was to watch. and now i want to get to some other stories of the front lines and an update on the rise of drones. the navy completed the first-ever carrier based launch of the unmanned aircraft. navy says the flight showed the
drone capable of navigating in air space on its own. wins low wheeler says that the launch is easiest thing the drone will do faced with an enemy air force is difficult and helpless to real defenses and much more expensive than many seem to assume. tougher drunk driving limits may be around the corner. there's a recommendation all states lower the blood alcohol level to .05. the current law is ten yores old. a 180-pound male likely hits .08 of 4 drinks in an hour. the beverage lobby is crying foul. ntsb says that when other countries lowered the levels, the population drinks less. after four drinks in an hour, you probably shouldn't be driving. it is 649 days since the u.s. lost the top credit rating. what are we doing to get it back? the international energy agency
says it will transform. supply of this country grows by so much and american oil will account for 50% of the oil output of growth on this planet. that's big oil. benghazi dilemma. how the administration handled the aftermath of the deadly attacks in libya is dominating the head loons and politics. >> obama's being compared to president nixon. how does he feel about that? >> i can tell you that people who make the comparisons need to check their histories because, you know, what we have here with one issue in benghazi is so clearly as we learn more and more a deliberate effort to politicize a tragedy. >> political sideshow? or obama administration cover-up? >> adam schiff, thank you very much, congressman, always great
to talk to you. the talking points did include in the early stage when the cia handed them for edits, a fairly detailed description with the mention of involvement of al qaeda and warnings of a possible terror attack in benghazi. all of these were taken out. it is still unclear at this point by whom, whether the state department or the white house or somewhere else. how can you defend the administration for such substantial edits to those talking points? >> well, the key thing on the talking points is most fundamental error in them stayed in throughout the editing process and that's the error saying it began as a protest and solely a -- and they got that wrong. there's never been any indication that the state department or white house was responsible for that error.
there were other changes made basically that watered down the talking points. i think there were a number of motivations there, some to protect classified sources, others, you know, in an effort to fight over turf between state and cia. but none of that indicates that there was some crime that's been covered up to compare it to watergate i think is just preposterous. >> in one of the e-mail exchanges of the talking points, victoria newland talked about the edits and one in particular referred to was the fact that the repeated warnings about terror attacks in benghazi were removed and justifies that by saying that they should be removed because, quote, that fact could be accused by members of congress to beat up the state department for not paying attention to warnings and why would we need that, either? >> congressman, there are people, democrats, saying the republicans on a witchhunt because of this but reading that sentence like that, that sure as heck sounds like the democratic administration was playing politics with this last fall. >> i think what was happening here is you had two facilities, one a state department diplomatic facility, one that
was an agency facility. and so, state department i think felt why is cia trying to set it up like they were warning, doing everything right when, in fact, the cia facility just as vulnerable as the diplomatic one and an early effort to say let's not jump to conclusion of who's more at fault and whose facilities were more at risk. taking it out of context like that, doesn't reflect positively on the state department but, you know, putting sum of loss on the talking points hardly earth shattering, hardly the stuff of watergate or major scandal. part of what happens every day in the interagency process. >> right. >> you think the talking points ultimately watered down to a point they weren't very useful and hardly the stuff of great scandal. >> but there is one point, though, that people who are frustrated me that i want to ask you about. that is, just talk about the basic thing. removing al qaeda from this and we now know and knew fairly quickly afterwards that the cia was involved and in the original
talking points as we now know. this administration and president running for re-election with repeated references of al qaeda being on the run and osama bin laden being killed and a narrative with an attack and an american ambassador dead and goes against that and seems the removal leads some people to feel that that really was political. it goes against our narrative so we'll take it out. what do you think about that? >> you know, i understand that theory and, you know, i guess you can follow it logically. at the same time, you know, the president talked about this being a terrorist attack. even, you know, the ambassador talked about extremists attacking the diplomatic facilities. so there wasn't any hiding the fact that we were attacked. we had our people killed. and those facts and in terms of al qaeda's potential involvement and came out very quickly so it's hard to claim i think that this was part of a political campaign orchestrated spin.
i will say this, too. you know, the fact that we were attacked in part by al qaeda on 9/11, i don't know that in the context of the campaign when the country tends to rally around the commander in chief that the theory really makes much sense that somehow it was better for the administration to make it sound like a spontaneous protest against the u.s. the administration was saying it made an outreach in the muslim world and the other side could claim that their outreach isn't working and a subject of this uprising and this attack so i'm not sure and the narrative is coherent one that it makes sense here. >> congressman, thank you very much. we appreciate your taking your time for your side of the story. in cleveland, we have a photo of michelle knight. this photo is from a 1997, 1998. the school year. you will see if she looks different. hair back in the pointtail. something about the face,
though, does make your heart fall when you think about what happened to her afterwards. knight was the first to be missing in 2002. this is from the first images we have seen of her. in fact, we have kept looks at only one. this is a new picture. we have new and exclusive details of missed clues that knight, barry and dejesus endured more than a decade. those who were choes to castro said he would seem to consume large amounts of food for a single guy and seems to be struggling to get more. the way he kept the shelves stocked raised suspicion and not in the way you might think. cnn's martin savage is "outfront" from castro's neighborhood. what more can you tell us about the missed clues and we missed them, it's just so agonizing. >> reporter: right. and to so many people, you are right, erin. they're going, oh my gosh, it makes perfect sense and didn't then and the latest of talking to people that ariel castro is had an insatiable appetite for a guy living alone supposedly on
seymour avenue and then on top of that, not only collect so much food like instant food and canned meats and thought he was preparing for the end of the world. in my exclusive interview with the brothers of ariel castro, o'neill talked about his brer's garden. >> he was in the vegetables. he loved his vegetables. don't eat the greasy food. eat the veggies. starting a garden. that's great. doing great. he was always such a health fanatic and eating good stuff. >> reporter: only now does his healthy eating habits reveal another potentially sinister purpose. for food for the three women and a young child, when allegedly holding prisoner inside his home. also, those close to castro said he frequented church and community food banks, stocking up on nonperishable food items, so much so he was thought to be a survivalist.
someone getting ready for disaster and obtained food stamps for groceries. pedro castro was a more frequent guest to the home and had the follow one strict rule. >> i used to go there more than he did. to work on cars. clean the yard. you know? help him out and stu but never go beyond the kitchen. >> airlinier castro's backyard may have a story to tell as the pictures seem to show. a pool of barbed wire, chains and tarps for blocking anyone from looking in. there was also this mirror at the back door for an early visual warning of anyone in his driveway. most haunting of all, a child's bicycle. castro was seen several times with a small child believed to be the daughter of one of the captive women. amanda barry. >> i asked him who's that? and he said, this is a girl's of
mine. >> the daughter belonged to a girlfriend of his? >> yes. >> reporter: authorities say kras to kept the women in dockdown with the victims saying they were allowed out twice in ten years. >> when you see where the house is situated and the garage, we were told they left the house and went in to the garage in disguise. so those are the two times there were mentioned or they can recall. >> reporter: more clues the people in the neighborhood can't believe were missed by so many who lived so near and visited the infamous home on seymour avenue. marlten savage, cleveland. still to come, cnn can now confirm that the irs was targeting certain groups. so why does our legal expert, willing to come on television in front of you, many angry and defend it? well, he's going to do it. lug your smartphones and tablets? a new tax could be on the way.
out to our sources around the world so tonight i want to go to russia because a u.s. diplomat is ordered out of the country. this is a fascinating story because russia's counter intelligence agency accused the man of being a cia spy. phil black is in moscow and i asked him what evidence the russians have against this rather unusual american. >> reporter: erin, the fsb says it caught ryan vogal trying to recruit a member of one of their own and videotaped it showing an unhappy man in an unconvincing blond wig saying he was carrying a spy kit with another wig, sunglasses, flashlight, knives, a compass and also a big pile of cash and a typed letter which they say were instructions to the man he was trying to recruit. ryan fogle is ordered to leave russia. this bungled case of espionage could extend further than one embarrassed spice because the russians say it's just a latest case of trying to turn a russian agent and they say they've been tracking them as they do it. erin?
>> hmm. now our fifth story. profiling at the irs. now you think it happens everywhere and you don't like it. well, it's happening now. a new and damning report has found the irs deliberately targeted some conservative groups, including those with tea party in their name. now, the news is actually great news in one regard, everybody. because republicans and democrats are finally agreeing about something. >> i've got no patience with it. i will not tolerate it and we'll make sure that we find out exactly what happened. >> i've never seen anything quite like this except in the past in the nixon years. >> what the irs did, of course, is inexcusable.
>> many americans are tremendously troubled. democrats and republicans that the irs would engage in targeting political opponents. >> the irs is coordinating with the justice department to see if any laws were broken. >> orrin hatch and eric holder on the same side. you see what i mean? outfront, jeffrey to be enand worked with some of the tea party groups targeted by the irs. jeff, let me start with you. you're going to do something that many will find indefensible. do it. defend the irs. explain. >> remember, what this is about, this is about groups applying for a special privilege, to be a 504c4 organization, they're social welfare organizations, not political operations. so they don't have to pay taxes and they don't have to disclose their members. >> incredible benefits.
for 501-c (4) status. one could look at that and say there should be way more scrutiny. >> i any that's quite right. karl rove's organization obviously designed to help him get elected president. it seems like the problem here is there hant been enough scrutiny. now, let me just add that it is important that the irs do this in an everyone-handed way. investigate liberal groups and conservative groups. but they should investigate both of them.
>> now, when this was happening, the groups that were forming the most quickly was tea party groups because that was on the rise. so, when you take that into account with what jeff is saying, do you see any merit to it? >> well, i read your piece. and he writes that the scandal is the political activity of these groups. i mean, it goes both ways. it happens on the left, too. moveon.org or organize for action are media matters. media matters goes out there and targets fox news and has put forth an effort to tear down talk radio. the irs, she admitted that this was not acceptable. wung thing you said, and you said it yourself, part of being the nonprofit organizations, they were asked for their donors, their membership lists.
now, by the way, i don't think anybody is going to be interested and think that she should be looking at them. this is not about republican versus democrat. this is about our first amendment rights as americans. every american should be concerned right now. it doesn't matter which side of the aisle you stand on. you could have a republican president using a bureaucracy. >> is your tea party organization a social welfare organization? >> everything is disclosed. we're a federal pact. i think they're about the issues that we're facing. >> i'm sure you do.
but, come on. this is what they do. >> no, that's the misconception. if we were an arm of the republican party, we wouldn't go out for this. that's all we're concerned about. we actually endorse the democrat. if you can put forth the fizz fiscal conservative. >> isn't that the hurdle for the left and the right? >> right. i mean, we're focused on the issues. the debt ceiling or amount of debt and that sort of thing. >> it's your right as an american to-do. but don't pretend that you're a social welfare organization. >> we are not here to prop up
the republican party. in 2012, when the republican party drove the message, we lost. we want conservatives. i don't care where you stand on the social issues. if you're a democrat and you align yourself with the democratic party but you're a fiscal conservative, then we will support you. >> we 'looking at candidates right now. >> i think you've both given everybody a lot to think about. maybe something that either jeff or amy said is going to question it. up next, how much do you love your smart phone. talking about the irs, how about this, an extra tax on your phone. nom, nom, nom. ♪ the one and only, cheerios
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